tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post41543037403494639..comments2024-01-19T01:22:32.971-08:00Comments on Occasional Randomness: In Defense of Raoul || AVM Blog Party || Part TwoTreskiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00490639560086435577noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-9352263920418759042019-07-12T16:06:42.269-07:002019-07-12T16:06:42.269-07:00I love this I love this I love this I love this I ...I love this I love this I love this I love this I love this I love this I love this I love this I love this Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-38765420168294912082019-04-30T16:26:12.768-07:002019-04-30T16:26:12.768-07:00no, it definitely wouldn't have worked, I agre...no, it definitely wouldn't have worked, I agree. The Phantom is a toxic person, and whether he loved Christine or not, he would not have treated her well, because all he really knows how to do is manipulate. <br />I think it's great that he kind of redeems himself by letting her go. It's not a happy ending for him, but it's a good one. <br /><br />YES EXACTLY. I LOVE that he left the mask behind, it shows that he's actually done being the Phantom. <br /><br />Thanks for commenting! Although I apologize for not seeing the comment until just now. :DTreskiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00490639560086435577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-381777621502284942019-04-12T12:51:37.749-07:002019-04-12T12:51:37.749-07:00It simply would not have worked if Christine went ...It simply would not have worked if Christine went with the Phantom. Real love is willing to let go. And Christine showing him probably the first real act of kindness anyone has ever shown him moves him enough to let her go, however painful it is. Sometimes life does not have happy endings.<br /><br />Speaking of which, I think the ending is brilliant with the Phantom disappearing and leaving behind only his mask. In the book he commits suicide, but this ending leaves it open to interpretation. We don't know what happened to him. But whatever his fate was, him purposefully leaving his mask behind is him shedding himself of that identity.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05483520326468770279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-33273946517579395342017-02-05T16:43:09.265-08:002017-02-05T16:43:09.265-08:00Yeah lol.
I don't think they weren't allo...Yeah lol. <br />I don't think they weren't allowed too, I think they just thought it was too much work for only three shows. Which would have been fair if it hadn't been the 25th anniversary. IT was a big deal, you know?Treskiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00490639560086435577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-72823549285563340232017-02-01T19:39:26.720-08:002017-02-01T19:39:26.720-08:00Yeah they should have used the dummy Christine it ...Yeah they should have used the dummy Christine it would have made more sense. As for the chandelier I think they only did like 3 shows so maybe they thought the extra work to rig it to fall wasnt worth it? Or maybe they weren't allowed to?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15156866586357827506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-69179207262238318912017-01-08T14:44:17.784-08:002017-01-08T14:44:17.784-08:00Haha, well..to each his own lol.
No no, I don...Haha, well..to each his own lol. <br /><br />No no, I don't think Ramin was terrible, I just get frustrated because a lot of the newer Phantoms are losing sight of the Phantom's character in an effort to make him attractive. He spent his life in hiding, he's not going to be loud and aggressive, he's going to be kinda quiet and sneaky. So that's my only real problem with Ramin. That and the fact that has a tendency to be pitchy. :)<br /><br />I like a lot about Hadley's Raoul, but yeah, he was too aggressive, Raoul is supposed to be gentle and make Christine feel safe. <br /><br />oh I know it wasn't set up for that type of production, but then again, neither are highschools, and they manage to drop the chandelier...And there was absolutely no reason for them not to have the dummy of Christine in Music of the Night. It bugged me that they left that out, because it looks like Christine fainted from the sheer force of the Phantom's awesomeness lol. <br /><br />But thanks for commenting!! :)Treskiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00490639560086435577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-20168531476515825272017-01-05T21:39:57.818-08:002017-01-05T21:39:57.818-08:00So just found this blog and I can't say I'...So just found this blog and I can't say I'm a huge fan of raoul but I don't dislike him. I've listened to the original cast seen the movie and the 25th anniversary recording. Just have to say I thought Ramin was fantastic as the phantom. I did like raoul a little less in the 25th anniversary just cause there were little things that made him more unlikable. And the reason some of the things were left out is because the concert hall they were in wasn't really set up for that type of production, just saying. But you do take it and give him a really good defenseAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15156866586357827506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-29301311208752050482015-11-11T10:03:40.002-08:002015-11-11T10:03:40.002-08:00Aw thanks! Raoul is the bomb-diggety. lol.
You...Aw thanks! Raoul is the bomb-diggety. lol. <br />You're right! He probably did hate the underhand dealing of lying to everyone about him and Christine. (Yeah, the managers are nasty about that whole thing. I mean they're like, 'a chorus girl who's gone and slept with the Patron." like... why? <br /><br />Exactly. Raoul thought that having Christine on stage, where he could keep an eye on her AND box five at the same time would be the safest place for her. Who knew the Phantom had practically written fanfiction about him and Christine? (And yeah, he didn't want to kill the Phantom, he just wanted him to leave them alone! lol)<br /><br />It's annoying to me, because he's so not. ( I mean, yeah, the long long hair in the film was a giant freaking mistake, but people thought he was a fop before that. I found some behind the scenes of the original cast on youtube, and even then people thought Raoul was boring and foppish. HAVE THEY WATCHED IT!???) But yeah hahaha, the Phantom is the one with the cloaks and hates and wigs... haha, he's so drama obsessed. XDTreskiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00490639560086435577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-40766242347765973542015-11-10T12:53:41.652-08:002015-11-10T12:53:41.652-08:00Love this post too! Raoul is just awesome, very p...Love this post too! Raoul is just awesome, very protective and honorable. On that note, another reason Raoul might have wanted to announce their engagement is because he's so straighforward, he probably hates the underhand dealing. Or maybe he wanted to clear her name; earlier, the managers suspected the two were lovers, and nobody thinks it odd that they spend the masquerade together.<br />Yeah, I agree that literally no one expected the Phantom would show up on stage. He did so much complaining about his usurped Box Five, that Raoul assumed he would show up there, and Raoul stationed the policeman where he had a clear view of the box. And even after all that happened, Raoul says, "Shoot only if you have to," implying that they would simply capture the Phantom first.<br />It's funny that Raoul is accused of being a fop (though maybe the silky locks in the 2004 film started that) when it's the Phantom who has such elaborate costumes, hats, and cloaks.<br />Christine Eyrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-90636647193277469882015-11-09T20:09:24.512-08:002015-11-09T20:09:24.512-08:00Actually, yeah you're right. Christine is mess...Actually, yeah you're right. Christine is messed up emotionally because of the Phantom. Emotional manipulation is one of those things I have *no tolerance* for. <br /><br />BUT YEAH EXACTLY, Christine only trusted the Phantom because she literally thought he was an Angel of Music from her Dad. The only kind of love she had for the Phantom was platonic, either like the love for a mentor, or the love for a father. Not boyfriend! <br /><br />It IS kind of sick that he made her so sure that he was her angel, because like... no. That's just mean to mess with people so much that they have a hard time distinguishing reality from fiction. <br /><br />Right!? Can you even IMAGINE the amount of betrayal she felt in the final lair? LIKE SHE TRUSTED YOU AND YOU'RE STRANGLING HER FIANCE!!!!!!!!!! <br /><br />It's like the scene from the graveyard kind of makes Christine revert back to her childhood self, because it's her DAD. (You should look up Wandering Child/Bravo Monsieur from the Original Cast on youtube, because it has the lyrics that I posted.) RAOUL IS SO GOOD for Christine, because he's so warm and caring and he actually brings up instead of pushing her down, you know? He's like, "No no, you're awesome and cute, and I love you and soon we'll be free and have a lovely life." and it's just SWEET. <br /><br />NO NO I LOVE THAT YOU TOOK THE TIME TO TELL ME WHAT YOU THOUGHT. ALL YOUR COMMENTS WERE LIKE, 'OH YEAH, I AGREE SO MUCH. WITH EVERYTHING."<br /><br />You're awesome<br /><br />kai baiTreskiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00490639560086435577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-56558372340209856842015-11-09T20:00:13.311-08:002015-11-09T20:00:13.311-08:00Same here, it's always amused me that they wou...Same here, it's always amused me that they would be like... LET'S THROW A MASKED BALL. I love the tightness in the lyrics in that song. "Flash of gold, splash of puce fool and king, ghoul and goose.." like yass. <br /><br />I'm so tired of people being like, "Raoul should have been more understanding." because NO. He was good for her! AND YES FOR THE 'SHE WAS SO USED TO BEING SCARED SHE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO NOT BE SCARED" thank you! Exactly. He never forced her to do anything. She did it because he believed in her and it's so cuuuuute. <br /><br />Right? I always thought it was kind of brave of both of them to have Christine help with catching the phantom, because it would be closure for her and good for Raoul to protect her. (lol, gentle prodding. I like that lol) BUT YES, I HATE IT WHEN THEY MAKE THE GIRL WIMPY TOO! But I always hate it when they make the girl too macho. So when they have the couple as equals where the guy IS stronger, but the girl isn't helpless. THAT'S GOOD. (ahaha, girls making it worse bugs me so much. )<br /><br />*fist bump* for complete agreement. ALSO YES, THE PHANTOM IS SO CONTROLLING!Treskiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00490639560086435577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-80708798900495861622015-11-09T08:47:59.162-08:002015-11-09T08:47:59.162-08:00Yes, the Phantom is way messed up. But so is Chris...Yes, the Phantom is way messed up. But so is Christine. Not in the same way or to the degree that the Phantom is. The Phantom manipulated her when she was a young girl after her father died. She was way too young to know any different. Her emotions were everywhere because of her dad's death. And she hears this voice in the dark of her room saying he's an angel (like her father said he'd send her) and so she immediately befriends this voice in the unfamiliarity of her new surrounds. To her, the voice is like her father in a way. It connects her to him. And then the voice gets controlling and abusive and again she's too young to know better. She may even think this is normal. In the musical she's always talking about how the Phantom sings songs in her head. The Phantom really messed with her psychologically and that's what's really sick about it. Whether he meant to or not. Now that Christine knows the truth about him, it's still difficult to gauge between reality and the fantasy she once knew. It's probably still hard to believe that this guy who kills people is the same voice that she used to equate with her father's supposed angel. She probably doesn't even know that she shouldn't have to be afraid of the Phantom, that if he really was her friend or lover or whatever then she wouldn't fear him. The sudden change makes her emotional and vulnerable again like when she was a child and her father died, because in a symbolic way to her, it's kind of like he's dying all over again. (Hence she visits her father's grave for clarity.) But you know something? Rauol is so awesome. He sticks with her through it. And with him asking her to help catch the Phantom, it's like he's asking her to face her fears. She wants him to face her fears for her. But he knows it doesn't work that way and he's knows she strong enough yet he's not going leave her to go it alone either.<br /><br />Sorry. That comment was shamefully long. *hides face*a.n.g.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03667996517318905980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-81424250301468868822015-11-09T08:47:19.536-08:002015-11-09T08:47:19.536-08:00I always thought it was ironic that they would hav...I always thought it was ironic that they would have a masquerade to celebrate, because the Phantom always wears a mask. It’s like this metaphoric "in your face" kind of moment. I really do like the Masquerade scene though. Because THE MUSIC!<br />I like how you point out the rationality of why Rauol is confused that she wants to keep their engagement a secret. Because from his side, it's almost like she's been afraid for so long, that it's hard for her to put it away. She doesn’t know how to not be afraid. And now, or as Rauol believes, the danger is past. Understandably, Christine will have her doubts, but if she wants to be free of her fear she needs to stop acting out of fear. In light of that, I've always thought him wanting her to actually wear her ring was more like a gentle prodding to move on and be brave. To overcome her fear. <br />I happen to like that he asks her to help them catch the Phantom. He's sensitive about it, he understands that she's scared, but he also knows they can't do it without her. So he takes every step he can to protect her. But he's not afraid to ask for her help. He believes in her. He knows she's bigger than her fears; she just doesn't know that yet. Again, it's like that gentle prodding, "You can do this. And I'll be there beside you." I cannot stand the romances where the guy is all like, "No. You can't do this. You're not strong enough/ emotionally stable enough/ smart enough/ you are just NOT ENOUGH to do this. You are useless. Let me do it all while you go hide in the corner and sob big wet tears while I get hurt alone." It makes me even more upset that some movies even show the girl making the fight scene worse when she tries to help because the guy is losing. WHAT KIND OF A MESSAGE ARE THESE PEOPLE TRYING TO SEND, HUH?! Sorry. But it irks me to no end. So I really like that Rauol believes she can do this. He's not forcing her to do it. The Phantom always limited Christine. She had to do what he wanted and be who he wanted. Rauol is not putting limits on her. Rauol is helping her. Because--<br />Promise I was leading up to this all along. Well, aside from the Masquerade detour. a.n.g.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03667996517318905980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-7729412339793846242015-11-08T19:42:28.764-08:002015-11-08T19:42:28.764-08:00AW YISS, because Raoul is a cute patootie.
A;DLS...AW YISS, because Raoul is a cute patootie. <br /><br />A;DLSKFJADSKFJASLDKF I do not knoooooow! Haha, thank you. (Hadley Fraser is my favorite Raoul to watch. Steve Barton is my favorite to listen to-- I don't know if he's awesome to watch because YOU CAN'T FIND HIM ACTING RAOUL ANYWHERE.)<br /><br />GOOD I'M GLAD YOU SHIP THEM. (But don't Titanic them, you should like... Noah's Ark them, because the Ark didn't sink, but the Titanic did, and I do not want RaoulxChristine to sink. MKAY?)<br /><br />He's such a sad crazy person. <br /><br />THANK YOU! THEY WERE HARD BECAUSE I WANTED TO SAY SO MUCH MORE AND I JUST GOT... STUCK. XDTreskiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00490639560086435577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-31793534629338520542015-11-08T19:39:37.380-08:002015-11-08T19:39:37.380-08:00the fandom tension actually amuses me, because it&...the fandom tension actually amuses me, because it's like guys... why are we so weird about this?? :) Treskiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00490639560086435577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-28197770976728064872015-11-08T11:08:30.714-08:002015-11-08T11:08:30.714-08:00:-P I meant I don't understand why people woul...:-P I meant I don't understand why people would think Christine should love the Phantom (fandom tension, if you will). CassieMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03470689851301803550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-70937908050007861372015-11-07T23:30:16.124-08:002015-11-07T23:30:16.124-08:00*swoons over all those adorable Raoul pics and gif...*swoons over all those adorable Raoul pics and gifs* <br /><br />ALKGHSDGKLHS. SERIOUSLY WHY IS HE SO ADORABLE. Too much cuteness right there. Those pics and gifs were enough to convince me lol<br /><br />But yas I ship Raoul and Christine so hard. NO. I don’t ship them. I FREAKING TITANIC THEM. <br /><br />But I still feel sorry for Phantom. Because he’s a sad crazy person like that. <br /><br />I LOVED THESE RAOUL POSTS BTW! They made me happy. Because Phantom of the Opera. AND RAOUL. So yup. :)<br /><br />-Evie<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-25951760906423206952015-11-07T22:36:05.333-08:002015-11-07T22:36:05.333-08:00The tension? Did I have tension? (I did not mean t...The tension? Did I have tension? (I did not mean to have tension.) Well yeah, the Phantom is evil, but I don't think he's intrinsically evil. You can't control your sanity, it's a chemical imbalance, that, especially in those times, you had no control over. I mean, yeah, he made bad decisions, but he never learned good from bad, no one cared enough to teach him. lol. So I can forgive him a lot, because I've had some experience with mentally ill people, and I know they don't mean to be the way they are. :) Treskiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00490639560086435577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-71692741559226802352015-11-07T22:32:07.731-08:002015-11-07T22:32:07.731-08:00Well you should have read it, I worked hard on it....Well you should have read it, I worked hard on it. lol. :) That's true, make Jack make some. <br /><br />Raoul is the best, that's why. He's so awesome that he makes up for the fact that his name is Raoul and people call him Ra-oool. The masked guy LIES that's what he DOES! .... Treskiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00490639560086435577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-15612207429513862712015-11-07T11:02:07.044-08:002015-11-07T11:02:07.044-08:00I don't understand the tension in this. The Ph...I don't understand the tension in this. The Phantom is totally evil, and it is his fault. There is no such thing as NOT being responsible for your own sanity: you always have a choice.CassieMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03470689851301803550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-87298082609551099122015-11-07T08:48:40.276-08:002015-11-07T08:48:40.276-08:00I didn't read it, I will make Jack read it, bu...I didn't read it, I will make Jack read it, but I'm just a baby hedgehog and long posts make me want cookies.....which Jack doesn't have for some reason.<br /><br /> But I already liked the Raoul one, even if his name is weird. At least he didn't come out behind mirrors. Which you can't do, because I tried it. There aren't rooms back there, only tooth paste. The guy with the mask LIED! Unless he lives in Narnia.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-29525492424076412362015-11-06T11:03:01.309-08:002015-11-06T11:03:01.309-08:00Aw yiss. Thank you! I felt like I got a little car...Aw yiss. Thank you! I felt like I got a little carried away, but I couldn't figure out what to edit, so I may have just left it lol. AND THANK YOU FOR NOTICING THAT I WAS AWARE OF THE PHANTOM'S HUMANITY! THANKSSSS. <br /><br />... Well... POTO was written before the YA novels now... <br /><br />But love triangles have been a thing for a while, like Jane Austen... <br /><br />But yeah, I see what you mean, I just think Phantom did it better than YA novels. XD XD Treskiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00490639560086435577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-76306827152004155052015-11-06T11:00:24.295-08:002015-11-06T11:00:24.295-08:00Wow, look at you, commenting twice in a row. :)
T...Wow, look at you, commenting twice in a row. :) <br />They are the OTP of Phantom, it's just the way it IS. And yeaaaah, Hadley is probably the best Raoul out there today, a lot of them give up on the character because no one likes him. BUT HADLEY is almost as good as Steve Barton, so... <br /><br />Mhmm. The Original cast was perfect, they blended so well. And their Final Lair is always the best, because they are the tightest when it comes to all the different counter-melodies. (But I will say Maria Kessleman was freaking amazing and her high notes were like diamonds. And Rebekka Luker definitely comes in close too.) AND as I've said before, I think the reason for the different sounds in broadway then and now is because singers then were trained classically, whereas now, they train specifically for broadway and it's not as nice. <br /><br />PITCHINESS DEGRADES MUSIC, OKAY? OKAY. I can't just listen to the 25 anniversary either, because I'll try to jump in and sing, but it clashes because people *coughsierracough* sing consistently sharp. And don't even get me started on the stuff that should have been in that production, because I will go OFF on you lol. <br /><br />LND is the reason for the new trend in reluctant Christine's because most of them are Christine in LND first, and she ultimately chooses Erik over Raoul, (Because Raoul got poor and basically turned into Francis from Poldark) So they use their experience in LND to play Christine in POTO. AND IT'S OBNOXIOUS. <br /><br />I love it when you rant. lol. ;) <br />I know right? You'd think with the way the world is so anti-abuse and Women Empowerment, they would hate The Phantom but noooo. He's just ugly, but his soul is beautiful. (Or at least that's how they see it lol.)<br /><br />baiTreskiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00490639560086435577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-38524699913142773462015-11-05T17:53:47.382-08:002015-11-05T17:53:47.382-08:00I do love a good analysis. You did a good job of ...I do love a good analysis. You did a good job of picking POTO apart and putting it under a microscope. I liked how you called out the phantom's bad behaviour for what it was, but also recognized his humanity. <br /><br />I'll admit that POTO reminded me of YA novels: <br />-One girl<br />-Two boys, one brooding and one gentler,<br />-Crazy relationship(s)<br />-Fighting, people die<br />But that could just be me. <br /><br /><br />Bluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08760994961683034493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6159967458087114933.post-21258855127657597472015-11-05T16:03:58.381-08:002015-11-05T16:03:58.381-08:00Waaaal, you know me. This is MY musical, and Raoul...Waaaal, you know me. This is MY musical, and Raoul and Christine ARE the OTP of it. Just sayin'. Raoul for the WIN! (Yes, Hadley, you are one of my more favourite Roauls - and pretty tuneful, too, in this oh-so-pitchy world!) I am sorry for the Phantom. I wish he could be happy. But, as you said so blandly, who would REALLY choose to live in the lair with the Phantom? Let's see the hands... <br /><br />Yes, it irritates that Sierra and Ramin are the only really good gifs out there. IMHO, Sarah Brightman, Michael Crawford and Steve Barton did it best. They have that nice musical quality about their voices, the more classic opera style that I desperately look for in musicals and never find. Musicals these days go for the lusty-voiced, hearty-vibratoed style that makes my eardrums cry. And the pitchiness! I can't STAND the pitchiness! Yes, I realize you want the audience to SEE your PASSION... but can't we do it ON TUNE?! For the record, I can't listen to the 25th Anniversary Edition. I like to watch it (though they should have had the chandelier fall, and given Christine a proper dressing room, and showed the creepy doll dressed up in the Phantom's lair, and had the Phantom tear Raoul's ring-on-a-necklace off Christine's neck, and other things which I thought, for the 25th, they should have DONE and didn't), but I cannot listen to it. Puts my teeth on edge.<br /><br />I ALSO prefer when Christine gives the Phantom back his ring and basically turns and runs the h*** out of there. I despise utterly this new trend in having Christine almost unwilling to give back the ring and sobbing dramatically as she turns away. C'mon. Sarah Brightman did it best. Let's not have that heinous LND influence our acting, please. Please?!<br /><br />End of rant. This is my musical, and I love it, and find myself so bewildered at Phantom/Christine shippers and Raoul haters. Guys. The man is psycho. Do you really want to pair the heroine with a psycho? Really? We'rd.<br /><br />Bye. :-)Katrinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18293316104653990391noreply@blogger.com